A question about Kumbhakarna

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V Subrahmanian

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Dec 27, 2022, 7:25:58 AM12/27/22
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We hear that Ravana and Kumbhakarna where the same Jaya and Vijaya and had to be killed by Rama.

ततस्तौ राक्षसौ जातौ केशिन्यां विश्रवःसुतौ ।
 रावणः कुम्भकर्णश्च सर्वलोकोपतापनौ ॥ ४३ ॥  Bhagavatam

This verse says that both of them were extremely troublesome. We hear a lot about Ravana but what kind of trouble did Kumbhakarna cause to the world at large? So is the question with regard to Dantavakra in the Mahabharata. Was it so serious so as to deserve death in the hands of the lord himself? 

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V Subrahmanian

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Dec 27, 2022, 11:33:55 AM12/27/22
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Thanks Ryan for the response.  It does make sense and settles my curiosity about Kumbhakarna's misdeeds.

This ch of the Bhagavatam gives the story in short:

श्रीमद्भागवत महापुराण/स्कंध ०७/अध्यायः ०१


//Kamsa and Sisupala//  The duo are Dantavara and Sisupala.

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subbu


On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 8:48 PM Ryan Armstrong <rya...@gmail.com> wrote:
Namaste All
I have just (last week) finished re-reading the Ramayana.
The story there is that Kumbhakarna, from birth already, would devour everything he could get hold of.
This included ascetics rich in pennances and firm in their vows, innocents as well as various animals.
Even on the battlefield, he caused mass confusion by devouring large portions of the monkey army.
The story says that after he and his older brother had practised severe austerities and pennances he received a curse from Brahma as well as a boon.
He was condemned to sleep for months at a time - so that he would not end up devouring the entire creation.

I will also need to check the Bhagavatam (it must be about 20 years since I read the story) but therein (I think this is what you are referring to) Jaya and Vijaya were cursed by Sanatkumara when they barred his entry to Lord Vishnu at Vaikuntha.
If I recall, they were both to be reborn 3 times and each time to be killed by Lord Vishnu himself.
The incarnations were:
Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakasipu
Ravana and Kumbhakarna
Kamsa and Sisupala (Here my memory may be wrong!)

As with all things, his destruction was previously ordained.

As an aside, I have always seen an allegory that Ravana and Kumbhakarna represent the chiefs of our desires.
In the case of Kumbhakarna it seems he represents Greed and Slothfulness.
As such, the Lord within needs to slay these desires in order to bring peace to the being.

Regards
Ryan

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//Kamsa and Sisupala//  The duo are Dantavara and Sisupala.

 

praNAms

Hare Krishna

 

SisupAla & daNtavakra

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

Bhaskar YR

 

 

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