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Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails #8502
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Hi, this is a regression caused by us not keeping up to date with Office 365 releases. Thanks.
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Subject: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Steps to reproduce:
In Outlook, when you start typing a contact's name, Outlook displays a list of recently used email addresses and contacts which match what has been typed so far. So, if "Mar" is typed, Outlook will list any Mary's or Martin's in your contacts, or anyone with "mar" in their email address.
To navigate through the list, use the arrow keys and to use the selected contact or address, press enter or tab.
Actual behavior:
When using the arrow keys to move through the list of contacts, NVDA reads "Blank". The only way to have NVDA read the contacts is to hover the mouse over, then the information is read.
Expected behavior:
A user would expect NVDA to read the contacts as the focus moves to each.
System configuration:
Windows 10 fast insider build 17713.1000
Microsoft Office 365 / Outlook 2016 Version 1806 (Build 10228.20104 Click to run) - updated just now.
NVDA Installed/portable/running from source:
NVDA 2018.2.1 portable
NVDA Alpha 15527,9c3f5bc8 installed
NVDA 2016.4 temporary
(Same results with all three versions)
Other information about your system:
In the current build of Windows 10, Narrator does announce "Suggestions available" when the suggestions appear then proceeds to read the first one, and the current suggestion when moving through the list.
Other questions:
Does the issue still occur after restarting your PC?
Have you tried any other versions of NVDA?
I thought this used to work. Reading issue #8055 <#8055> which talks about the autocomplete list (but encounters an error with Braille), it seems to indicate it was working then (if it wasn't, that surely would have been worth mentioning in that ticket), so it's possibly a regression in a recent build of Outlook.
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Ok, so it is us who need to catch up here rather than Microsoft?
I'm testing replying by email rather than on GitHub as your message quotes
all of mine and I'm sure it isn't supposed to, so we'll see whether mine
does as well.
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Hi, this is a regression caused by us not keeping up to date with Office
365 releases. Thanks.
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Subject: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the
To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Steps to reproduce:
In Outlook, when you start typing a contact's name, Outlook displays a
list of recently used email addresses and contacts which match what has
been typed so far. So, if "Mar" is typed, Outlook will list any Mary's or
Martin's in your contacts, or anyone with "mar" in their email address.
To navigate through the list, use the arrow keys and to use the selected
contact or address, press enter or tab.
Actual behavior:
When using the arrow keys to move through the list of contacts, NVDA reads
"Blank". The only way to have NVDA read the contacts is to hover the mouse
over, then the information is read.
Expected behavior:
A user would expect NVDA to read the contacts as the focus moves to each.
System configuration:
Windows 10 fast insider build 17713.1000
Microsoft Office 365 / Outlook 2016 Version 1806 (Build 10228.20104 Click
to run) - updated just now.
NVDA Installed/portable/running from source:
NVDA 2018.2.1 portable
NVDA Alpha 15527,9c3f5bc8 installed
NVDA 2016.4 temporary
(Same results with all three versions)
Other information about your system:
In the current build of Windows 10, Narrator does announce "Suggestions
available" when the suggestions appear then proceeds to read the first one,
and the current suggestion when moving through the list.
Other questions:
Does the issue still occur after restarting your PC?
Have you tried any other versions of NVDA?
I thought this used to work. Reading issue #8055 <
#8055> which talks about the
autocomplete list (but encounters an error with Braille), it seems to
indicate it was working then (if it wasn't, that surely would have been
worth mentioning in that ticket), so it's possibly a regression in a recent
build of Outlook.
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Hi, yes (I believe someone posted an idea as to how to fix this as part of an incomplete pull request). Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Ok, so it is us who need to catch up here rather than Microsoft?
I'm testing replying by email rather than on GitHub as your message quotes
all of mine and I'm sure it isn't supposed to, so we'll see whether mine
does as well.
…On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Joseph Lee ***@***.***> wrote:
Hi, this is a regression caused by us not keeping up to date with Office
365 releases. Thanks.
From: Quentin Christensen ***@***.***>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:13 PM
To: nvaccess/nvda ***@***.***>
Cc: Subscribed ***@***.***>
Subject: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the
To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Steps to reproduce:
In Outlook, when you start typing a contact's name, Outlook displays a
list of recently used email addresses and contacts which match what has
been typed so far. So, if "Mar" is typed, Outlook will list any Mary's or
Martin's in your contacts, or anyone with "mar" in their email address.
To navigate through the list, use the arrow keys and to use the selected
contact or address, press enter or tab.
Actual behavior:
When using the arrow keys to move through the list of contacts, NVDA reads
"Blank". The only way to have NVDA read the contacts is to hover the mouse
over, then the information is read.
Expected behavior:
A user would expect NVDA to read the contacts as the focus moves to each.
System configuration:
Windows 10 fast insider build 17713.1000
Microsoft Office 365 / Outlook 2016 Version 1806 (Build 10228.20104 Click
to run) - updated just now.
NVDA Installed/portable/running from source:
NVDA 2018.2.1 portable
NVDA Alpha 15527,9c3f5bc8 installed
NVDA 2016.4 temporary
(Same results with all three versions)
Other information about your system:
In the current build of Windows 10, Narrator does announce "Suggestions
available" when the suggestions appear then proceeds to read the first one,
and the current suggestion when moving through the list.
Other questions:
Does the issue still occur after restarting your PC?
Have you tried any other versions of NVDA?
I thought this used to work. Reading issue #8055 <
#8055> which talks about the
autocomplete list (but encounters an error with Braille), it seems to
indicate it was working then (if it wasn't, that surely would have been
worth mentioning in that ticket), so it's possibly a regression in a recent
build of Outlook.
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I replied to the last message using Gmail on the web, and mine had the
original message quoted and hidden. I’m trying in Outlook now. Your
message is readable right below mine here so it will be interesting to see
if it all comes through.
One solution would be to select all and delete before typing a reply, but
it would be better if it was automatically dropped.
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Hi, yes (I believe someone posted an idea as to how to fix this as part of
an incomplete pull request). Thanks.
From: Quentin Christensen <notifications@github.com>
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in
the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Ok, so it is us who need to catch up here rather than Microsoft?
I'm testing replying by email rather than on GitHub as your message quotes
all of mine and I'm sure it isn't supposed to, so we'll see whether mine
does as well.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Joseph Lee ***@***.***> wrote:
Hi, this is a regression caused by us not keeping up to date with Office
365 releases. Thanks.
From: Quentin Christensen ***@***.***>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:13 PM
To: nvaccess/nvda ***@***.***>
Cc: Subscribed ***@***.***>
Subject: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the
To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Steps to reproduce:
In Outlook, when you start typing a contact's name, Outlook displays a
list of recently used email addresses and contacts which match what has
been typed so far. So, if "Mar" is typed, Outlook will list any Mary's or
Martin's in your contacts, or anyone with "mar" in their email address.
To navigate through the list, use the arrow keys and to use the selected
contact or address, press enter or tab.
Actual behavior:
When using the arrow keys to move through the list of contacts, NVDA reads
"Blank". The only way to have NVDA read the contacts is to hover the mouse
over, then the information is read.
Expected behavior:
A user would expect NVDA to read the contacts as the focus moves to each.
System configuration:
Windows 10 fast insider build 17713.1000
Microsoft Office 365 / Outlook 2016 Version 1806 (Build 10228.20104 Click
to run) - updated just now.
NVDA Installed/portable/running from source:
NVDA 2018.2.1 portable
NVDA Alpha 15527,9c3f5bc8 installed
NVDA 2016.4 temporary
(Same results with all three versions)
Other information about your system:
In the current build of Windows 10, Narrator does announce "Suggestions
available" when the suggestions appear then proceeds to read the first
one,
and the current suggestion when moving through the list.
Other questions:
Does the issue still occur after restarting your PC?
Have you tried any other versions of NVDA?
I thought this used to work. Reading issue #8055 <
#8055> which talks about the
autocomplete list (but encounters an error with Braille), it seems to
indicate it was working then (if it wasn't, that surely would have been
worth mentioning in that ticket), so it's possibly a regression in a
recent
build of Outlook.
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Hi, This feature worked as advertised in earlier Office 365 releases (including Office 2013 I believe). I'm thinking the control has changed and we didn't keep up with that change. CC @derekriemer |
@Novalis7747, are you planning to raise a new pull request with your code? |
Kind of makes you wonder why Msoft altered the behaviour here then.
Perhaps the same programmers who write Skype are now working on Outlook
grin
Brian
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Guys, I'm confused about the state of this issue. It is being reported as closed, but I for one am still seeing the issue with latest NVDA and office 365 update. IN the issue that it is linked to in the merge, it doesn't seem to clearly say whether the speech side of it has been resolved. Can someone comment either way please and if not resolved, are we any closer to resolving this with speech? not having the list of names complete is extremely annoying as it can take significantly longer to enter addresses in a large organisation. |
Hi, we still haven’t heard from the person who’ve worked on a pull request for this, and I thought someone would do it by now. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Guys, I'm confused about the state of this issue. It is being reported as closed, but I for one am still seeing the issue with latest NVDA and office 365 update. IN the issue that it is linked to in the merge, it doesn't seem to clearly say whether the speech side of it has been resolved. Can someone comment either way please and if not resolved, are we any closer to resolving this with speech? not having the list of names complete is extremely annoying as it can take significantly longer to enter addresses in a large organisation.
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Guys, is this ever going to get resolved? What is the current status? is MS looking into it, are NVDA looking into it, is anyone looking at it? it was opened in July and is by all accounts dead in the water. I want to stress again this is a significant issue when working in a large org with a lot of names and addresses. Currently the only workaround such as it is, is to enter a few letters of someones name, then hit enter, see if the name is correct, delete it if not, enter the same few letters of the name again, scroll down once and hit enter to try it all over again, repeat until you get the name right. This is truely ridiculous if you're entering 30 addresses in one of these fields. Can we please have a resolution plan or an indication of what's going on? Thanks, Ed. |
Hi, Since we haven't heard from the individual who did a pull request on this, I'll take this on. Because of its high impact, I propose raising the priority of this one to P2 at least. If I do come up with a PR, it'll be based on beta unless @michaelDCurran says otherwise. Thanks. |
Thanks Joseph apreciate this. I know of at least 3 people who wil be extremely happy once this is fixed. |
Hi, Further investigation says: yes, my initial hypothesis was right: I think we've been so complacent to a point where we cost someone his or her productivity. Technical: the "To:" field and friends have way better UIA implementation. This is evidenced by the fact that:
Several solutions come to my mind:
I imagine all of these (and more possibilities) have downsides, especially when it comes to supporting Outlook 2007 and earlier:
CC @michaelDCurran, @jcsteh, and @LeonarddeR in case you have something to say. Thanks. |
Hi, Technical: although name change event may seem promising, it won't cover certain situations. Also, the root culprit is the fact that state change event for auto-complete list item is not raised in some cases, but when using UIA, it works. I'll compile a try build for you all to try (the code is based on latest master snapshot). |
Hi, Try build: Don't worry about error tones when entering address into "To:" field in Outlook. Please test this build under the following combinations:
Notes:
Scenarios while entering address into "To:" field and friends:
For the first two scenarios, if one of them fails, let us know how to reproduce the problem (note that my computer has Office 365/2016 at the moment), along with Windows version and Outlook version in use. The third item shouldn't be a problem unless you've got Windows 7 or 8.x, and the fourth item is applicable only for those using a braille display. Thanks. |
Hey @josephsl, I've tested with MS Outlook 2016 and 365 with speech. Suggestion sound plays properly and NVDA announces the suggestions as expected. It works in to, cc and bcc. I have noticed that the address in the field is recognized as button. This is also announced when navigating with left arrow to the address. It says "button" and "button end". This is not the case in NVDA 2018.4 Beta 1. |
Hi, yep, likely due to UIA giving wrong control type information, which should be taken care of through role coercion (event_NVDAObject_init). I’ll wait for more comments before creating a second try build. Thanks for the report.
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Hey @josephsl <https://github.com/josephsl> , I've tested with MS Outlook 2016 and 365 with speech. Suggestion sound plays properly and NVDA announces the suggestions as expected. It works in to, cc and bcc.
Using Windows 10 1809 update.
I have noticed that the address in the field is recognized as button. This is also announced when navigating with left arrow to the address. It says "button" and "button end". This is not the case in NVDA 2018.4 Beta 1.
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It works well here. I only tried typing in the “to” field, but, it works as expected. I’m using Windows 10 build 1803 with Outlook 365.
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Hi, yep, likely due to UIA giving wrong control type information, which should be taken care of through role coercion (event_NVDAObject_init). I’ll wait for more comments before creating a second try build. Thanks for the report.
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Hey @josephsl <https://github.com/josephsl> , I've tested with MS Outlook 2016 and 365 with speech. Suggestion sound plays properly and NVDA announces the suggestions as expected. It works in to, cc and bcc.
Using Windows 10 1809 update.
I have noticed that the address in the field is recognized as button. This is also announced when navigating with left arrow to the address. It says "button" and "button end". This is not the case in NVDA 2018.4 Beta 1.
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running Office 365 under Win 1809. the suggestion in the TO field works fine when typing. When arrowing down the suggested email addresses they are spoken correctly, but when up arrowing in the list it only says blank and arrowing doen again only brings me the value I typed in the address field. |
In addition to my first comment one more remark, the autosuggestion only comes up when hitting 1 letter in the address fields. Entering 2 or more letters does not fire up autosuggestion.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi,
Try build:
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/3967ub6tudlp64xa/artifacts/output%2Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%2Ccd98032c.exe<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fci.appveyor.com%2Fapi%2Fbuildjobs%2F3967ub6tudlp64xa%2Fartifacts%2Foutput%252Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%252Ccd98032c.exe&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7fdda89948004e6d885d08d64fe7d223%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636784254405244834&sdata=tEJACA3qFA9XuUndgPu1OxfGh9TZZJZRniNpq6xX9z8%3D&reserved=0>
Don't worry about error tones when entering address into "To:" field in Outlook.
Please test this build under the following combinations:
1. Windows 10 and all of the following Outlook versions if possible: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, Office 365
2. Windows 8.x and the following Outlook versions: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365 (Office 2019 does not support releases other than Windows 10).
3. Windows 7 and Outlook 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365
Notes:
1. Windows releases earlier than 7 SP1 won't be supported.
2. Outlook 2003 is end of life, therefore I recommend not supporting it.
3. Support for Outlook 2007 is contingent on community feedback (especially from enterprises).
4. Outlook 2010 support may or may not make the cut depending on whether UIA implementation used in this try build is even usable.
5. Full support is expected for Outlook 2013 and later (including recent iterations of Office 365/2019).
Scenarios while entering address into "To:" field and friends:
1. Type the name of a known contact and see if NVDA announces the top suggestion.
2. As you type addresses, see if NVDA announces refined search results.
3. While doing all these, see if NVDA plays search suggestion sound (to configure this, go to NVDA Menu/Settings/Object presentation/Play a sound when auto-suggestions appear checkbox must be checked).
4. If you have a braille display, see if suggestions appear on the display.
For the first two scenarios, if one of them fails, let us know how to reproduce the problem (note that my computer has Office 365/2016 at the moment), along with Windows version and Outlook version in use. The third item shouldn't be a problem unless you've got Windows 7 or 8.x, and the fourth item is applicable only for those using a braille display.
Thanks.
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Hi, regarding this one, suggestions do show up, but my testing showed it causes NVDA to play suggestion sound repeatedly. I may need to look into this a bit further. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
In addition to my first comment one more remark, the autosuggestion only comes up when hitting 1 letter in the address fields. Entering 2 or more letters does not fire up autosuggestion.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi,
Try build:
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/3967ub6tudlp64xa/artifacts/output%2Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%2Ccd98032c.exe<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fci.appveyor.com%2Fapi%2Fbuildjobs%2F3967ub6tudlp64xa%2Fartifacts%2Foutput%252Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%252Ccd98032c.exe&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7fdda89948004e6d885d08d64fe7d223%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636784254405244834&sdata=tEJACA3qFA9XuUndgPu1OxfGh9TZZJZRniNpq6xX9z8%3D&reserved=0>
Don't worry about error tones when entering address into "To:" field in Outlook.
Please test this build under the following combinations:
1. Windows 10 and all of the following Outlook versions if possible: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, Office 365
2. Windows 8.x and the following Outlook versions: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365 (Office 2019 does not support releases other than Windows 10).
3. Windows 7 and Outlook 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365
Notes:
1. Windows releases earlier than 7 SP1 won't be supported.
2. Outlook 2003 is end of life, therefore I recommend not supporting it.
3. Support for Outlook 2007 is contingent on community feedback (especially from enterprises).
4. Outlook 2010 support may or may not make the cut depending on whether UIA implementation used in this try build is even usable.
5. Full support is expected for Outlook 2013 and later (including recent iterations of Office 365/2019).
Scenarios while entering address into "To:" field and friends:
1. Type the name of a known contact and see if NVDA announces the top suggestion.
2. As you type addresses, see if NVDA announces refined search results.
3. While doing all these, see if NVDA plays search suggestion sound (to configure this, go to NVDA Menu/Settings/Object presentation/Play a sound when auto-suggestions appear checkbox must be checked).
4. If you have a braille display, see if suggestions appear on the display.
For the first two scenarios, if one of them fails, let us know how to reproduce the problem (note that my computer has Office 365/2016 at the moment), along with Windows version and Outlook version in use. The third item shouldn't be a problem unless you've got Windows 7 or 8.x, and the fourth item is applicable only for those using a braille display.
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Not sure if my first commen on github came through, so here again:
When arrowing down through the list of suggestions with arrow down, each suggestion speaks well, but when arrowing up again in the list I hear only “blank” and after that arrowing down brings nothing than the characters I entered in the address field.
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Sent: Mittwoch, 21. November 2018 22:27
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi, regarding this one, suggestions do show up, but my testing showed it causes NVDA to play suggestion sound repeatedly. I may need to look into this a bit further. Thanks.
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz <notifications@github.com>
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
In addition to my first comment one more remark, the autosuggestion only comes up when hitting 1 letter in the address fields. Entering 2 or more letters does not fire up autosuggestion.
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Sent: Mittwoch, 21. November 2018 20:31
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi,
Try build:
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/3967ub6tudlp64xa/artifacts/output%2Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%2Ccd98032c.exe<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fci.appveyor.com%2Fapi%2Fbuildjobs%2F3967ub6tudlp64xa%2Fartifacts%2Foutput%252Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%252Ccd98032c.exe&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7fdda89948004e6d885d08d64fe7d223%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636784254405244834&sdata=tEJACA3qFA9XuUndgPu1OxfGh9TZZJZRniNpq6xX9z8%3D&reserved=0>
Don't worry about error tones when entering address into "To:" field in Outlook.
Please test this build under the following combinations:
1. Windows 10 and all of the following Outlook versions if possible: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, Office 365
2. Windows 8.x and the following Outlook versions: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365 (Office 2019 does not support releases other than Windows 10).
3. Windows 7 and Outlook 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365
Notes:
1. Windows releases earlier than 7 SP1 won't be supported.
2. Outlook 2003 is end of life, therefore I recommend not supporting it.
3. Support for Outlook 2007 is contingent on community feedback (especially from enterprises).
4. Outlook 2010 support may or may not make the cut depending on whether UIA implementation used in this try build is even usable.
5. Full support is expected for Outlook 2013 and later (including recent iterations of Office 365/2019).
Scenarios while entering address into "To:" field and friends:
1. Type the name of a known contact and see if NVDA announces the top suggestion.
2. As you type addresses, see if NVDA announces refined search results.
3. While doing all these, see if NVDA plays search suggestion sound (to configure this, go to NVDA Menu/Settings/Object presentation/Play a sound when auto-suggestions appear checkbox must be checked).
4. If you have a braille display, see if suggestions appear on the display.
For the first two scenarios, if one of them fails, let us know how to reproduce the problem (note that my computer has Office 365/2016 at the moment), along with Windows version and Outlook version in use. The third item shouldn't be a problem unless you've got Windows 7 or 8.x, and the fourth item is applicable only for those using a braille display.
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Hi, suggestion item navigation is something I might not be able to work with at the moment, as the highest priority is making sure people can hear auto-complete suggestions. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
running Office 365 under Win 1809. the suggestion in the TO field works fine when typing. When arrowing down the suggested email addresses they are spoken correctly, but when up arrowing in the list it only says blank and arrowing doen again only brings me the value I typed in the address field.
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Yup, that’s ok, it works when arrowing down, so we can pick our choice…
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi, suggestion item navigation is something I might not be able to work with at the moment, as the highest priority is making sure people can hear auto-complete suggestions. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
running Office 365 under Win 1809. the suggestion in the TO field works fine when typing. When arrowing down the suggested email addresses they are spoken correctly, but when up arrowing in the list it only says blank and arrowing doen again only brings me the value I typed in the address field.
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Test under Win 1709 and Office 2013 corporate
Result: no autosuggestion at all and no list of suggestions when arrowing down or up.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi,
Try build:
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/3967ub6tudlp64xa/artifacts/output%2Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%2Ccd98032c.exe<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fci.appveyor.com%2Fapi%2Fbuildjobs%2F3967ub6tudlp64xa%2Fartifacts%2Foutput%252Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%252Ccd98032c.exe&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7fdda89948004e6d885d08d64fe7d223%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636784254405244834&sdata=tEJACA3qFA9XuUndgPu1OxfGh9TZZJZRniNpq6xX9z8%3D&reserved=0>
Don't worry about error tones when entering address into "To:" field in Outlook.
Please test this build under the following combinations:
1. Windows 10 and all of the following Outlook versions if possible: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, Office 365
2. Windows 8.x and the following Outlook versions: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365 (Office 2019 does not support releases other than Windows 10).
3. Windows 7 and Outlook 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365
Notes:
1. Windows releases earlier than 7 SP1 won't be supported.
2. Outlook 2003 is end of life, therefore I recommend not supporting it.
3. Support for Outlook 2007 is contingent on community feedback (especially from enterprises).
4. Outlook 2010 support may or may not make the cut depending on whether UIA implementation used in this try build is even usable.
5. Full support is expected for Outlook 2013 and later (including recent iterations of Office 365/2019).
Scenarios while entering address into "To:" field and friends:
1. Type the name of a known contact and see if NVDA announces the top suggestion.
2. As you type addresses, see if NVDA announces refined search results.
3. While doing all these, see if NVDA plays search suggestion sound (to configure this, go to NVDA Menu/Settings/Object presentation/Play a sound when auto-suggestions appear checkbox must be checked).
4. If you have a braille display, see if suggestions appear on the display.
For the first two scenarios, if one of them fails, let us know how to reproduce the problem (note that my computer has Office 365/2016 at the moment), along with Windows version and Outlook version in use. The third item shouldn't be a problem unless you've got Windows 7 or 8.x, and the fourth item is applicable only for those using a braille display.
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Hi, and this is with UIA on, right? What about with 2018.4 beta 1? If the beta and the try build is doing the same thing, then I need to restrict the UIA code to Office 2016. I’m curious to know if anyone is willing to test this on Windows 7 and 8.1. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Test under Win 1709 and Office 2013 corporate
Result: no autosuggestion at all and no list of suggestions when arrowing down or up.
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Sent: Mittwoch, 21. November 2018 20:31
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi,
Try build:
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/3967ub6tudlp64xa/artifacts/output%2Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%2Ccd98032c.exe<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fci.appveyor.com%2Fapi%2Fbuildjobs%2F3967ub6tudlp64xa%2Fartifacts%2Foutput%252Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%252Ccd98032c.exe&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7fdda89948004e6d885d08d64fe7d223%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636784254405244834&sdata=tEJACA3qFA9XuUndgPu1OxfGh9TZZJZRniNpq6xX9z8%3D&reserved=0>
Don't worry about error tones when entering address into "To:" field in Outlook.
Please test this build under the following combinations:
1. Windows 10 and all of the following Outlook versions if possible: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, Office 365
2. Windows 8.x and the following Outlook versions: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365 (Office 2019 does not support releases other than Windows 10).
3. Windows 7 and Outlook 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365
Notes:
1. Windows releases earlier than 7 SP1 won't be supported.
2. Outlook 2003 is end of life, therefore I recommend not supporting it.
3. Support for Outlook 2007 is contingent on community feedback (especially from enterprises).
4. Outlook 2010 support may or may not make the cut depending on whether UIA implementation used in this try build is even usable.
5. Full support is expected for Outlook 2013 and later (including recent iterations of Office 365/2019).
Scenarios while entering address into "To:" field and friends:
1. Type the name of a known contact and see if NVDA announces the top suggestion.
2. As you type addresses, see if NVDA announces refined search results.
3. While doing all these, see if NVDA plays search suggestion sound (to configure this, go to NVDA Menu/Settings/Object presentation/Play a sound when auto-suggestions appear checkbox must be checked).
4. If you have a braille display, see if suggestions appear on the display.
For the first two scenarios, if one of them fails, let us know how to reproduce the problem (note that my computer has Office 365/2016 at the moment), along with Windows version and Outlook version in use. The third item shouldn't be a problem unless you've got Windows 7 or 8.x, and the fourth item is applicable only for those using a braille display.
Thanks.
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Yup, with UIA set to on. Under 2018.3 and 2018.4B1 it gives autosuggestion with the 4th typed character and arrowing the list of autosuggestion works as supposed.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi, and this is with UIA on, right? What about with 2018.4 beta 1? If the beta and the try build is doing the same thing, then I need to restrict the UIA code to Office 2016. I’m curious to know if anyone is willing to test this on Windows 7 and 8.1. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Test under Win 1709 and Office 2013 corporate
Result: no autosuggestion at all and no list of suggestions when arrowing down or up.
From: Joseph Lee <notifications@github.com<mailto:notifications@github.com>>
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi,
Try build:
https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/3967ub6tudlp64xa/artifacts/output%2Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%2Ccd98032c.exe<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fci.appveyor.com%2Fapi%2Fbuildjobs%2F3967ub6tudlp64xa%2Fartifacts%2Foutput%252Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%252Ccd98032c.exe&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7fdda89948004e6d885d08d64fe7d223%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636784254405244834&sdata=tEJACA3qFA9XuUndgPu1OxfGh9TZZJZRniNpq6xX9z8%3D&reserved=0<https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/3967ub6tudlp64xa/artifacts/output%2Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%2Ccd98032c.exe%3chttps:/eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fci.appveyor.com%2Fapi%2Fbuildjobs%2F3967ub6tudlp64xa%2Fartifacts%2Foutput%252Fnvda_snapshot_try-outlookAutoCompleteUIA-16299%252Ccd98032c.exe&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7fdda89948004e6d885d08d64fe7d223%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636784254405244834&sdata=tEJACA3qFA9XuUndgPu1OxfGh9TZZJZRniNpq6xX9z8%3D&reserved=0>>
Don't worry about error tones when entering address into "To:" field in Outlook.
Please test this build under the following combinations:
1. Windows 10 and all of the following Outlook versions if possible: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, Office 365
2. Windows 8.x and the following Outlook versions: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365 (Office 2019 does not support releases other than Windows 10).
3. Windows 7 and Outlook 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365
Notes:
1. Windows releases earlier than 7 SP1 won't be supported.
2. Outlook 2003 is end of life, therefore I recommend not supporting it.
3. Support for Outlook 2007 is contingent on community feedback (especially from enterprises).
4. Outlook 2010 support may or may not make the cut depending on whether UIA implementation used in this try build is even usable.
5. Full support is expected for Outlook 2013 and later (including recent iterations of Office 365/2019).
Scenarios while entering address into "To:" field and friends:
1. Type the name of a known contact and see if NVDA announces the top suggestion.
2. As you type addresses, see if NVDA announces refined search results.
3. While doing all these, see if NVDA plays search suggestion sound (to configure this, go to NVDA Menu/Settings/Object presentation/Play a sound when auto-suggestions appear checkbox must be checked).
4. If you have a braille display, see if suggestions appear on the display.
For the first two scenarios, if one of them fails, let us know how to reproduce the problem (note that my computer has Office 365/2016 at the moment), along with Windows version and Outlook version in use. The third item shouldn't be a problem unless you've got Windows 7 or 8.x, and the fourth item is applicable only for those using a braille display.
Thanks.
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Hi, and given the state change event is failing for these… I think, at this point, the new code will be restricted to Office 2016 and beyond, and given the work involved in correcting it, it may not make the cut for 2018.4 (sorry). CC @michaelDCurran
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Yup, with UIA set to on. Under 2018.3 and 2018.4B1 it gives autosuggestion with the 4th typed character and arrowing the list of autosuggestion works as supposed.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi, and this is with UIA on, right? What about with 2018.4 beta 1? If the beta and the try build is doing the same thing, then I need to restrict the UIA code to Office 2016. I’m curious to know if anyone is willing to test this on Windows 7 and 8.1. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Test under Win 1709 and Office 2013 corporate
Result: no autosuggestion at all and no list of suggestions when arrowing down or up.
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Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Read Outlook's auto-complete suggestions in the To, CC & BCC fields of new emails (#8502)
Hi,
Try build:
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Don't worry about error tones when entering address into "To:" field in Outlook.
Please test this build under the following combinations:
1. Windows 10 and all of the following Outlook versions if possible: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019, Office 365
2. Windows 8.x and the following Outlook versions: 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365 (Office 2019 does not support releases other than Windows 10).
3. Windows 7 and Outlook 2007, 2010, 2013, 2016, Office 365
Notes:
1. Windows releases earlier than 7 SP1 won't be supported.
2. Outlook 2003 is end of life, therefore I recommend not supporting it.
3. Support for Outlook 2007 is contingent on community feedback (especially from enterprises).
4. Outlook 2010 support may or may not make the cut depending on whether UIA implementation used in this try build is even usable.
5. Full support is expected for Outlook 2013 and later (including recent iterations of Office 365/2019).
Scenarios while entering address into "To:" field and friends:
1. Type the name of a known contact and see if NVDA announces the top suggestion.
2. As you type addresses, see if NVDA announces refined search results.
3. While doing all these, see if NVDA plays search suggestion sound (to configure this, go to NVDA Menu/Settings/Object presentation/Play a sound when auto-suggestions appear checkbox must be checked).
4. If you have a braille display, see if suggestions appear on the display.
For the first two scenarios, if one of them fails, let us know how to reproduce the problem (note that my computer has Office 365/2016 at the moment), along with Windows version and Outlook version in use. The third item shouldn't be a problem unless you've got Windows 7 or 8.x, and the fourth item is applicable only for those using a braille display.
Thanks.
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I'm still suffering from this issue on Outlook 2016 16.0.11727.20230. Even when up and down arrowing through the suggestions, NVDA stays silent. |
I’m definitely not seeing this behavior any more, although my Office 365 is due an update. I’ll update and report back.
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Confirmed under Outlook 2016.
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I'm still suffering from this issue on Outlook 2016 16.0.11727.20230. Even when up and down arrowing through the suggestions, NVDA stays silent.
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And since I originally reported this, just confirming that yes it is working now in Office 365. If it's not working in Office 2016 as per @Novalis7747 Comment, can anyone please confirm whether that is fixable in NVDA itself? If it's going to require an external fix from Microsoft, we can probably close this now. |
Another update. This isn't completely fixed in Office 365:
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Confirmed.
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Another update. This isn't completely fixed in Office 365:
* The first time the auto-complete suggestions are shown for any given message, nothing is read. EG if I press M to write Mary, Martin and Mary might be suggested, but NVDA won't read anything until I arrow through the list. This is problematic if there is only one name in the list, and the focus cannot move so nothing is read (and reading the current object just reads what you have typed, not any suggestions).
* The second and later times the auto-complete suggestions are shown, NVDA instantly reads the first one.
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If it regressed with #8919 it looks like Office 2016 has no usable IAccessible implementation for autocomplete list whereas 365 does. The problem is that Microsoft in their infinite wisdom made build numbers for Office 365 and 2016 to overlap, so we cannot use version numbers to use IAccessible /UIA in these cases as needed. |
I agree re the 365 fix. I noticed the other day that when I enter test
into these fields and attempt to arrow about, NVDA is completely silent
almost like it's locked up. I tab and shift tab, then delete the text in
the field and reenter it, then I can arrow about and have the names read.
…On 13/08/2019 11:16, Łukasz Golonka wrote:
If it regressed with #8919
<#8919> it looks like Office 2016
has no usable IAccessible implementation for autocomplete list whereas
365 does. The problem is that Microsoft in their infinite wisdom made
build numbers for Office 365 and 2016 to overlap, so we cannot use
version numbers to use IAccessible /UIA in these cases as needed.
According to
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52892882/how-to-detect-office-2019-programmatically/52949687#52949687
it should be possible to query the registry and check if we are
dealing with 365 or 2016. Note that it is still asked on user list
from time to time - Office 2016 seems to be still very popular.
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Yes, @Ednunp - my workaround for now in Office 365 is, say you want to enter someone's name which begins with a, in the to field type a, backspace, a, then it reads the suggestions. |
Also happens in Office 2019 using NVDA 2019.3.1 and Office 2019, unfortunately. Workaround not applicable as described for Office 365. |
chojiro, |
Yes. Office 2016 and 2019.
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With this issue still in Office 2016 and 2019 apparently but not in Office 365, does fixing it in those versions of Office require a fix from NVDA's end or from Microsoft? |
Hi, To address hte latest question: I think it will involve looking at build range and taking appropriate action, as Office versions from 2016 onwards (including 2019/2021/365) are tagged as version 16.0. Note that Office 2016 is in extended support, so I guess 2019 is the earliest we might support (2019 enters shortened extended support soon, 2021 won't pick up pace for a while, and folks are moving toward 365). Thanks. |
This appears to be working correctly in 2019 now, as of NVDA alpha-25324,0f08ccb7 (and probably before, I don't use Outlook much so haven't noticed). |
I'm sure this doesn't work in the office 2016 version used at my place of work, which is even a problem for a very basic computer user who works with us. |
It's not working either on Office 2016 on my workplace (version '16.0.5197.1000'). |
the version of outlook I work from that this problem still exists is |
I just noticed that the problematic version of my office is the same as the |
Hi, yep, that Outlook build is a typical Office 2016 build. Note that despite the major version being 16.0, Office 2016 and later have different build numbers, which is the same arrangement as Windows 10 and 11 (Windows 10 and later identify themselves internally as NT 10.0 but uses different build numbers). Therefore since auto-completion announcement is more robust in newer Office 16.0 builds, it can be safely assumed that, for all practical purposes, newer Office releases such as Office 2019 or later would provide a better experience. This does not mean we should give up on doing something for Office 2016 users just yet – this version of Office (early 16.0 builds, that is) is supported until 2025. I will remind the NVDA community about version strings as this problem will become a bit more confusing in coming months. Thanks.
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@fernando-jose-silva, @CyrilleB79 is this still in an issue after updating Outlook? |
@seanbudd, the version has remained the same, i.e. '16.0.5197.1000' as indicated in the file version in this update, which is the last one as indicated on this page. |
according |
Steps to reproduce:
In Outlook, when you start typing a contact's name, Outlook displays a list of recently used email addresses and contacts which match what has been typed so far. So, if "Mar" is typed, Outlook will list any Mary's or Martin's in your contacts, or anyone with "mar" in their email address.
To navigate through the list, use the arrow keys and to use the selected contact or address, press enter or tab.
Actual behavior:
When using the arrow keys to move through the list of contacts, NVDA reads "Blank". The only way to have NVDA read the contacts is to hover the mouse over, then the information is read.
Expected behavior:
A user would expect NVDA to read the contacts as the focus moves to each.
System configuration:
Windows 10 fast insider build 17713.1000
Microsoft Office 365 / Outlook 2016 Version 1806 (Build 10228.20104 Click to run) - updated just now.
NVDA Installed/portable/running from source:
NVDA 2018.2.1 portable
NVDA Alpha 15527,9c3f5bc8 installed
NVDA 2016.4 temporary
(Same results with all three versions)
Other information about your system:
In the current build of Windows 10, Narrator does announce "Suggestions available" when the suggestions appear then proceeds to read the first one, and the current suggestion when moving through the list.
Other questions:
Does the issue still occur after restarting your PC?
Have you tried any other versions of NVDA?
I thought this used to work. Reading issue #8055 which talks about the autocomplete list (but encounters an error with Braille), it seems to indicate it was working then (if it wasn't, that surely would have been worth mentioning in that ticket), so it's possibly a regression in a recent build of Outlook.
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